"Organic"

You both like politics, philosophy, and feminism.

You: Hey. I'm Adam, 24 and from Wisconsin. I like to argue/discuss. Wbu?

Stranger: Hi, I'm Alexandria, 21, I live in California, and likewise

You: Did we already talk once?

Stranger: we may habe

Stranger: have

You: You sound awfully familiar

You: I usually talk about vegetarianism, absolute poverty

Stranger: I remember speaking to an Adam, and I remember speaking to someone from Wisconsin, but I don't particularly remember an Adam from Wisconsin

Stranger: neither rings a bell

Stranger: I may have mentioned I am from Syria

You: I don't remember a Californian from Syria

You: Want to get into a discussion about a specific topic?

Stranger: Well it's a pleasure to meet you for the first time then :)

Stranger: sure! you can go ahead first

You: Topic is vegetarianism

You: Is it hard to be a healthy vegetarian?

Stranger: I wouldn't know, I've never tried to be one. I assume it depends on the person, their commitment, the cultural foods of the area, etc

You: How about for you then?

You: I like discussing practical things

Stranger: personally I wouldn't chose to be a vegetarian

You: personally I wouldn't either

You: but I am

You: so again

You: Is it hard to be a healthy vegetarian?

Stranger: are you vegetarian for health reasons

Stranger: ?

Stranger: and for me, yeah it would be difficult

You: no

You: How would it be difficult?

You: aerochats.blogspot.com/2018/12/veganism.html

Stranger: because I find it difficult to commit to a lifestyle or diet for reasons that don't persuade me

You: I haven't said any reason yet

Stranger: I know, but, generally, from the ones ive heard

You: There's no point if you think it's unhealthy

You: I get this out of the way first now

You: So please just answer the question

You: not something far off

Stranger: i dont think its particularly unhealthy, vegetarians get their proteins in other wats

Stranger: ways

Stranger: I did answer the question?

You: not at all

You: for the sake of getting this out of the way

You: let's say you have a very good reason to be

You: I'd like to get this thing about nutrition

You: so we can actually get to something bigger

You: *out of the way

Stranger: I thought you said that you like to discuss practical things. why the hypothetical? the reasons dont persuade me. maybe it'll be easy to be a vegetarian when I am persuaded, but I am not, and that's my answer. i dont deal with hypotheticals

You: we haven't gotten to the reasons

You: it's pointless when the other thinks it's not healthy

You: I've done this many times

Stranger: why are you assuming that I've only received knowledge about vegetarianism from you

Stranger: i have outside knowledge

You: I haven't assumed so

Stranger: and their reasons dont persuade me

You: You can simply say, yes.

Stranger: yes to what?

You: it's easy to be vegetarian

Stranger: okay

You: the only reason it wouldn't be is (A)

You: you live with your parents

You: or (B) you're allergic to a lot of foods

Stranger: and?

You: So we can move on?

You: I'll assume so

You: Certain animals suffer unnecessarily due to certain practices inherent in factory farming.

You: Basically production animals are put in contexts not optimal for them. Some of them get sick; the majority, though stressed, manage to survive, grow, reproduce, produce milk/eggs, and so on--sometimes despite being sick. The productivity of those who cope outweighs the loss associated with those who cannot.

You: So the right thing to do--in regard to practical action that you or I can do--is either buy local "organic" meats and such, which is a bit expensive, or become vegetarian (and hopefully someday vegan).

Stranger: I only buy organic foods anyways

Stranger: so this issue doesnt concern me

You: Oh, you don't eat out?

You: And good for you

Stranger: I cook, it's cheaper

You: Good quality meat is expensive

You: I'm a cheapo

You: So ya, most aren't willing to do that.

Stranger: I mean, of course occasionally I'd eat out with friends or when Im lazy, but, I'd say only a handful of times a month. i mostly cook

You: Ya fine. You're a part of a very select few

You: good stuff though

Stranger: okay nice, so was that the end of our vegetarian discussion

You: Ok

You: So is there a humane way to kill?

Stranger: whichever way is quickest

You: humane - having or showing compassion or benevolence.

Stranger: or inflicts the least pain

You: So let's say someone rescues a cat from a hurricane. The next day, they kill it. Is that humane?

Stranger: why do they kill it?

You: (assuming someone was going to adopt that specific one)

You: They felt like it.

You: No reason.

You: Perhaps they wanted to feel what cat meat tasted like.

You: Is that compassionate or benevolent?

Stranger: was the person hungry with no other methods of getting food at that time?

You: Like you or me

You: I'm middle class

You: I'm not poor or living from paycheck to paycheck

Stranger: was the person that killed the cat to see what cat meat tasted like, hungry? with no other methods of getting food?

You: again, they're like you or me

Stranger: that doesn't answer the question

You: they're not in survival mode

You: they have food and money

You: they have supermarkets

Stranger: okay, in that case, then I don't understand why they would kill another animal if not to feed themselves. pretty sure thats sociopathic

You: no

You: They just want to feel the taste of the meat

You: There is no other value

You: They can eat other things just as nutritionally viable

You: The cats not big

You: It's not for a meal

Stranger: I don't see that as a justifiable reason to kill a cat

You: Why cut a cows life short?

Stranger: because as omnivores we also eat other animals

You: I'm talking about the grass fed ones your buy

You: So anything natural is good?

You: For the reason we have canine teeth?

Stranger: not everything natural is good, but, certainly being part of the food chain is just the way things are

Stranger: cattle need a natural predator

Stranger: in this case, humans

You: lol

Stranger: it controls their population so other cows can eat enough grass

You: it's not natural at all

Stranger: too many cows means less grass

You: you're talking about the wild

You: if anything, humans have the function of a paracite

Stranger: the method of killing cows in some cases is not natural, but the actual killing is natural

You: sure

You: deer hunting

You: keeping the population healthy

You: this is different

Stranger: deer hunting is mostly for sport and not for food

You: It keeps the population healthy

You: the deer live relatively long lives

Stranger: human deer hunting isnt what keeps their population healthy

You: it's a factor

Stranger: wolves, cougars, bears are the main factors

You: depends on the location

Stranger: they kill deer way more than some gamers

You: here in southern Wisconsin

You: we have none of those animals

You: anyway

You: I'm not against slaughter

You: Btw, I'm not against what you do. It's a lot more than most buying all organic animal products

Stranger: I'm not exactly sure to the point you're trying to reach

You: I'm just making the argument for drastically shortening their lives

You: We're not natural predators to them

You: We raise them

You: Supply and demand

Stranger: what defines a natural predator

You: In the wild, out of survival

You: Again, my point is their lives

You: They're just a means to an end

Stranger: humans are still animals though, we're still predators even if we're not in "the wild"

You: yes, and we enjoy eating meat

You: and we, in southern wisconsin, keep the deer population healthy

Stranger: so, is your point to raise the minimum age of slaughter

You: ...there is no minimum age

Stranger: okay, so is your point to create a minimum age?

You: and if there was, I couldn't change that

You: I'd rather have other policy changes

You: like banning battery cages

You: and debeaking

You: "This isn't about good people versus bad people. It's about the machine that's taking over this country. 

The land, the cattle, human beings. The machine don't give a shit.

Pennies a pound. Pennies a pound.
That's all it cares about. A few more pennies a pound."

Stranger: okay, seems pretty valid. im not against such reforms, but, personally I see greater issues to worry about. but, if I saw something like that on the Californian ballet of propositions, i'd vote for it

You: I agree

You: I think lessening absolute poverty is more important

Stranger: yes, I agree

You: ok, that's all I got

You: what do you study?

Stranger: International Relations :) Do you study? Or did?

You: electrical engineering

You: so what can you do with that degree?

You: sounds like you'll get to travel

You: =)

Stranger: sounds pretty nice :)

Stranger: well there's a lot. personally i want to go into International Law, and though the degree isn't necessary ofc, it's a good supplement. being a diplomat or someone in intelligence seems to be common with international relations

You: Ok, so FBI

Stranger: CIA :P

Stranger: FBI is domestic

If the above message says you have been reported to the FBI, it is not legitimate. Please ignore it.

Stranger: CIA does the international stuff

Stranger: but yeah, potentially

You: you're two hours behind me

Stranger: I am, it just struck midnight

You: What are your goals in life?

You: or what does your ideal life look like?

Stranger: My goals, hm, well, I have a lot. I want to be married soon, and raise a family. I want to finish Law School and practice international law for a little, but mostly I want to be a businesswoman and create companies. Afterwards, I want to go into politics