Nietzsche's Eternal Return

What about time?

• eternal return

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return#Friedrich_Nietzsche

• He professes that the wish for the eternal return of all events would mark the ultimate affirmation of life:
• What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: 'This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more' ... Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: 'You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine.' [The Gay Science, §341]

Stranger: What is metaphysics?

You: the nature of reality

Stranger: but physics is also making argument about that

You: physics is about matter and energy

Stranger: Ok by matter and energy, physics illustrate the nature of reality

You: It's just implied that I mean 'immaterial' reality

You: https://philosophynow.org/issues/61/What_Is_The_Nature_Of_Reality

You: Immaterial reality then pertains to what is not constrained by physical laws, eg concepts such as ‘character’ and the ‘mind’, Plato’s Forms, the realm of God and spirits...

You: time

You: although, time is a measurement in physics

You: but it comes from metaphysics

You: since time is a human construct

Stranger: Is time a human construct?

You: time isn't explained by physics

You: if it is where?

You: when I study regular physics I use time as a measurement

Hubris, and because less people will die

Bruna

Stranger: Hello Adam

You: what's unique to your culture?

You: or symbols off the top of your head

Stranger: Our dances, foods

You: ok, what foods

You: for me, Wisconsin, it's cheese

Stranger: Ok

Stranger: Idk the name in english

Stranger: "Feijoada"

You: stew

You: special stew

Stranger: Stew?

You: (fei·jo·a·da
A Brazilian or Portuguese stew of black beans with pork or other meat and vegetables, served with rice.)

Stranger: Oww... Did you know, or you searched it?

You: searched

Stranger: Uhm...

Stranger: Great

Stranger: So, i am brazilian

You: I guessed

Stranger: And stew is our unique food

Stranger: Lol

You: =)

You: I'm glad

You: these spoiled boys that I babysit for

You: complain about "always"

You: having sandwiches for lunch

You: now I have something new (although they don't 'always' have sandwiches anyway)

Stranger: Are you a nanny?

You: define nanny

Stranger: The person who babysit kids

You: yes

You: I work hourly 7:30-3 at their house, and bring them to chess practice, soccer, etc

Stranger: Oww... Its cool

Stranger: Where do you live?

You: got a job after that too

You: Wisconsin

You: Sheboygan

You: along Lake Michigan

You: it was cold

You: went in on Sunday

Stranger: Oh

Stranger: You told it

Stranger: I forgot

You: I've done that here before =J too

You: Do you live in the city?

Stranger: Tell me more about your culture

You: Americans don't value education

You: I do

Stranger: Yes!

You: hubris

You: American hubris

Stranger: Education is so much important

You: agreed

You: there is even a word for these people:

You: intentional non-learners

Stranger: Here our education isn't so good

You: damn

You: Americans watch a lot of tv

You: I'd say we overindulge in negative/passive leisure

You: we're eating less and less as a family

You: not family meals, but individual

Stranger: Uauu! You have good words

Stranger: A great speach.

Stranger: Lol

You: you're still learning English?

Stranger: Yeah

You: urbandictionary.com will help

You: you learn American slang

You: it's also hilarious

Stranger: Thanks for the advice

You: I promote that site a lot here

Stranger: Why?

You: it's very useful

You: even when I was growing up

You: and someone said words I don't know

You: especially adult words

You: I'd always find the answer on that site

Stranger: But aren't you an american?

You: yes

You: as a child we don't know adult words

You: jacking off, blow job, etc

Stranger: Ohh... I see

You: horny, blue waffle

You: muffin top...some are cruel

Stranger: Yeah! I really need that site

Stranger: Haha

You: one of my Brazilian Skype friends noted how he just found out

You: about "sleeping with"

You: as he was telling me that he slept in the bed with this girl, but did not 'sleep with' her

Stranger: Lol

You: how old are you btw?

Stranger: 17

You: 20

Stranger: Ok

Stranger: Do you study?

You: formally

You: I'm going for electrical engineering

You: uwplatt.edu

You: although, this past semester

You: I had to work part time, and go to online college

You: (since I did so poorly the semester before that)

Stranger: An interesting course

You: I have very low willpower

You: I would binge on online movies

You: other online things too

You: that's a significant reason why I did so bad

You: What do you want to do?

You: still in secondary school?

Stranger: International relations

Stranger: Yeah

You: if that's what you call it

You: wow

You: culture all the way!

Stranger: I want to work in a humanity organization

Stranger: Thats why

Stranger: I love other cultures

You: awesome

You: you mean

You: humanitarian--right?

Stranger: Yes!

Stranger: Hahah

You: =)

You: I know more than the average bear

You: about extreme poverty

You: NGOs

You: macro-economics

You: It really comes down to what I believe is my purpose in life

You: to lessen extreme poverty

You: (that was a terrible sentence)

You: grammar wise

Stranger: You have a good purpose in your life

You: thank you

Stranger: Everybody should have the same one

You: Why?

You: That's a bold statement.

Stranger: Because less people will die

You: I suppose...I'm happy that you're churning my thoughts that are usually kept dormant

Stranger: ;

Stranger: :)

You: I've reduced your position (everyone should care about it) to everyone should merely join/support a cause

You: any cause: AIDS, teen literacy rates in Chicago public schools, rights for women in Afghanistan, etc

You: but you said it so simply

You: because less people will die

You: bam

Stranger: Ok... Sorry for my simple answer

Stranger: Hahaa

You: brevity is the soul of wit

You: (quote)

Stranger: You know about many things...

Stranger: Do you read very much?

You: haaa, I've got an even better quote for that

Stranger: Thanks

Stranger: Haha

You: "By attempting many things, I have accomplished nothing”

You: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/grotius/

You: I like to think I read often

You: I try, but to not

You: for example, I have a daily to-do list (habitrpg.com)

You: and one of my dailies is it be reading 20 min ago

You: until I go to sleep

Stranger: You type so fast

Stranger: Hahaha

You: mistakes too *but do not

Stranger: I like read too, but i seldom do that

Hypnotism

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R books

Stranger: what did you learn?

You: I'm easily interested, so I actually am intrigued

You: Today, the question is

You: did I learn it or did I know it all along, and just explicitly say that I learned it

You: hmmmm....

You: OK

You: actually, I think I really learned this especially today

You: practice what you preach

You: in a sense

You: about reading

You: because I don't practice that as much as I preach it

Stranger: how do you mean?

You: I read little, yet flaunt about telling others how they should read

Stranger: ah

Stranger: why?

You: why what?

Stranger: why do you tell others how they should read? what does that accomplish?

You: I'll answer your first question. Your second seems too complicated to answer.

You: Reading is the start of anything

You: everything

You: a skill or wonder

You: all found though another person

You: doubly as quick as them speaking it to you

You: (we talk at an average rate of 120 words per min and read about double that)

You: not only learning a new skill

You: but the love of reading nonfiction as a past time

You: not to be some pretentious intellectual

You: but to know a thing or two about things most

You: people, by themselves (observation alone), would/can't aquire

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aburrido - boring

pecuniary - of, relating to, or consisting of money

lo siento - I'm sorry

You: what tools do you use?

Stranger: Depends. Duolingo, memrise, actual textbooks

Stranger: And native speakers when I can

Stranger: What languages are you learning? It differs per language

You: Spanish

Stranger: mi espanol es bastante mal and I learned it in school... but memrise and duolingo are probably your best options in that they're free and pretty comprehensive

You: I just started duolingo

Stranger: te gusta?

Stranger: i started spanish today on duolingo actually

You: want to join me?

Stranger: i tested out of 49 levels but that goes to show that you can understand a language well while still speaking it poorly

Stranger: I'm a bit new to duolingo, so you'll have to explain how one goes about that...

You: I'm pretty much as far along as you

You: how many languages are you learning?

You: ya polyglot

Stranger: it's my passion, what can I say. I'm technically learning Japanese atm, but duolingo really only does European languages. I'm pretty proficient in Swedish already since that's my main second language and I basically wanted to see what it looked like on duolingo

Stranger: so what made you want to study spanish?

You: ha

You: this is a cool coincidence

You: so

You: I "publish" conversations I've had (that don't mention anything about the other) and

You: last week

You: I couldn't decide if I wanted to learn

You: Japanese or Spanish (mainly this summer)

You: http://aerochats.blogspot.com/2014/11/spanish-or-japanese-chat-snippet.html

Stranger: That is...quite the discrepancy

Stranger: Per the old taco shell commercial, "Why not both?"

You: eventually

You: but one before the other

Stranger: Very true. That was my rationale for not doing Japanese and Chinese at the same time

Stranger: Chinese seems so much simpler but ultimately I went with the easier pronunciation and more prolific pop culture

You: ah

Stranger: Eventually for me too

Stranger: I'm learning German really because I'm likely going to several countries in Europe next year and several of them are German speaking

You: wow

Stranger: Can't be a polyglot and not at least attempt to learn the language of your holiday countries

You: have a computer science (major) friend who's learning German

You: when I ask him to where he want to eat

You: he replies in German all the time

Stranger: Code switching is a hassle

Stranger: It happens all the time when I'm attempting Spanish and I come up with a Swedish word instead

Stranger: How many languages do you speak, btw?

You: took two years of Spanish in hs--which mostly forgot, sarcasm, c++, 25% of Java Script, and really not anything besides English

Stranger: Same. I haven't forgotten my Spanish because I live in a very very Hispanic area, I would actually say that I speak Swedish, and adequate Java.

Stranger: Funny that you do human and programming languages too

Stranger: Are you a CS major?

You: electrical

Stranger: aha

You: I don't know how old you are, but what's your major?

Stranger: Still in high school... It's going to be linguistics, probably. I've considered double majoring.

You: ya, I thought I wanted to maybe even triple--but it's not like that anymore

You: it's like running a race

You: at first you want to win

You: then, when you're running the marathon, you just care about finishing

Stranger: I'm feeling that now. I thought it would be a brilliant idea to do AP CS, AP Calc, and AP Physics atop other atrocities

You: out of three, I only got credit for AP Macroecon

Stranger: I'm taking that next semester. It actually does sound interesting, if only because I feel massively ignorant on pecuniary matters

Stranger: I think my schedule only allows for micro, though

You: oh

Stranger: Which is much more boring, likely

Stranger: Or aburrido, should we say

You: I liked it because of my teacher, and I have an interest in developmental econ (even though we skipped that chapter)

Stranger: I noticed that whilst perusing your blog

You: haven't taken micro, so I wouldn't know, but that CS friend is taking micro at the university level next semester

Stranger: I wish him/her the best

You: thanks, he'll get a fair prof

Stranger: ratemyprofessor to the rescue? heh

You: well, that's what we always use--but he got a direct optinion from me, since I'm taking that same prof for a finance class (have to have same matching course subject with the AP)

You: anyway, got to write a paper for that class now

You: nice talken with ya

You: do you have skype?

Stranger: I do not, lo siento

Stranger: have fun with that paper. I should probably be writing a program or something atm too

Stranger: the wonders of the internet

You: duolingo is probably good enough

Stranger: Hopefully. Challenge me if we ever find out how... it seems to be specific to the app or something

Stranger: Have a good evening!

Stranger has disconnected.

Ethics

You both like philosophy.

Stranger: so philosophy

You: yes

Stranger: im going to be upfront, im not formally educated in philosphy and i am unfamilar with much of the field

Stranger: with that being said

Stranger: what philosophical topic has caught your interest as of late?

You: do you like ethics, epistemology, metaphysics? (three main branches of philo)

You: poverty philosophy

Stranger: epistemology is interesting

Stranger: though i have my own ideas of what can be known and how

Stranger: and im afraid it may be over simplified

Stranger: ethics

Stranger: on the other hand

Stranger: well

Stranger: what is ethics?

Stranger: if ethics is synonymous with morality

Stranger: which i doubt it is

Stranger: then i would say there is no point to discussing morality/ethics because there is no absolute morality

Stranger: there is only a goal

Stranger: and methods used to reach that goal

Stranger: sorry for my word vomit

Stranger: but what do you think?

You: well, more of just trying to understand

You: of course there's a point to discuss

You: even when there's not an absolute answer

You: it's like the whole point of philosophy itself

Stranger: of course, but i dont think anything is inherently right or wrong, it is only successful or unsuccessful in achieving a goal

You: as a tangent, you may find something interesting here:

You: http://philosophy.stackexchange.com/users/4506/adam-uraynar?tab=favorites

Stranger: k searching it up now

You: killing someone is wrong

Stranger: why?

You: why do you get to choose if they die?

You: you don't

Stranger: but why is that inherently wrong?

Stranger: other than an emotional feeling

You: because it's not you who get's to do that, you do not have the right to

Stranger: who decided wether or not i have that right?

You: I could also bring up the categorical imperative here, but I won't

You: the society you choose to be a part of

Stranger: yes, it is wrong because someone says it is wrong

You: not neccissarily

Stranger: or at least that is how it appears on the surface

You: you're committing a fallacy here

You: slippery slope

Stranger: how so?

You: or...

You: trying to think of the word

Stranger: strawman?

You: no, but it's similar to slippery slope

Stranger: show me where you think im wrong

Stranger: im curious

You: it's kind of like exaggerating something to the point it's not

You: I'd have to look at a list of fallacies, but I don't care to make that much effort

Stranger: but what did i exaggerate?

You: kind of...

You: similarity

Stranger: all i said is that killing is not inherently wrong, it is only wrong according to society

You: well, it'd only be you without society

You: well, let me say this: mutual understanding (in place of "someone says it's wrong")

Stranger: so if the majority of a society says something is morally acceptable or not, does that make it so/

Stranger: ?

You: no

Stranger: so how do you arrive at the idea that killing is inherently wrong?

You: you're using power to end someone who for you to decide to end is not right

Stranger: why not?

Stranger: you are just restating the statement

You: forcing power over someone

Stranger: but why is that wrong?

You: they don't want it

Stranger: and why should i care what they want?

You: it's not a matter if you should care, but I guess I will have to argue that point

You: so, we're back to "mutual understanding"

You: can I get off that easily?

Stranger: well, but then that shows my original point

You: ya know, you don't shit on my car, I don't shit on yours

Stranger: that things are only right or wrong in relation to a goal

Stranger: but, they are not inherently wrong

You: what goal does killing someone have?

Stranger: no, not killing someone has a goal

Stranger: which is

Stranger: to have society which can function

Stranger: and you will benefit from

Stranger: you said it yourself

Stranger: the goal

Stranger: is mutual understanding

You: hey, I don't have a lot of time. want to dialogue about robin hood ethics?

Stranger: sure

Stranger: im not familiar

Stranger: but

Stranger: id be glad to talk about it

You: pretty much what it sounds like

Stranger: steal form rich give to poor kinda hitng?

You: yep

Stranger: see, but my view of ethics is shaped by our previous convorsation

Stranger: its very hard to explain

Stranger: but, what it comes down to is that I am selfish

Stranger: so are you

Stranger: you dont do anything that doesnt benefit you

Stranger: honestly i havent thought about ethics much past that because it all because trivial

Stranger: if it serves my interests

Stranger: then i will consider it ethical

Stranger: otherwise i will consider it otherwise

You: is this similar to some kind of philosophical thought or school?

Stranger: hmmm, im not sure

Stranger: im sure someone else put a name to it

Stranger: at some point in history

Stranger: but this is just my thoughts

You: I understand

You: pdx.edu/sysc/sites/www.pdx.edu.sysc/files/altruism_npc_0.pdf

Stranger: ahh yes

Stranger: i dont think alrtuism exists

You: exactly why there are levels of altruism

Stranger: ooh i see

You: with the first not being an actual form

Stranger: i just read that

You: of altruism

Stranger: so yeah, i think people do things that will benefit others more than it does themselves

Stranger: but they will ALWAYS only do things if the benefits to themself outweigh the cost to themself

You: I really want to read more into this, more about how we don't do it from self interest (because it seems that when we think about it, and philosophise, that's where we go wrong...or what I mean is, we don't all what's on the table)

Stranger: i think it is impossible to do things NOT out of self interest

Stranger: And i just had a thought

Stranger: perhaps

You: didn't you see the chart on page 2?

Stranger: the lack of pure altruism is related to how we define the self

Stranger: ill take a look

Stranger: one sec

Stranger: okay yeah i see it

You: but it seems to have a bias towards Buddhism ("Being Altruism")

Stranger: hmmmm

Stranger: Perhaps it is arrogant of me, but i really feel like the chart is an overcomplication of things

Stranger: for me

Stranger: the most important aspects are the binary ones

Stranger: the yes/no or black/white

Stranger: so when i think "is it possible to be altruistic?"

You: what?!

Stranger: i come to the conclusion that it is impossible to be truely altruistic

Stranger: then

You: it seems like you're saying it's best to do black and white thinking

Stranger: well, its actually kind of grey

Stranger: ahah

Stranger: but

You: I sort of get what you mean

Stranger: i mean to really dig deep into the structure of reality and the self, you have to think in terms of yes or no

Stranger: however

Stranger: there are many different colors of grey within those yes's and no's

Stranger: idk

Stranger: it is just something that i have noticed to be helpful when seeking knowledge

Stranger: and truth about anything

Stranger: because this way i can lay out a rudimentary structure

Stranger: and then once tht structure is laid, then i can worry about details

You: the truth is never pure and rarely simple --Wilde

Stranger: you know what i mean? like do the rough work first and then tune it into shape

Stranger: like if i were to sculpt a statue, i would first cut out the block that i want to work with

Stranger: so as to not overcomplicate things

Stranger: and then

Stranger: from that block

Stranger: i would chisel out the statue

You: yes, I suppose I understand better

Stranger: so the chart of altruism

Stranger: i see that as part of the rock that is outside the block that i am working with

Stranger: i can cut that out to really focus in on what matters

Stranger: anyway

Stranger: my brain hurts

Stranger: so ill let you talk to someone else now haha

Stranger: c ya later!