Nihilism, altruism

You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hello!

You both like nihilism.

Stranger: hello hello

You: hello

Stranger: were you here yesterday?

You: yes

Stranger: remember any conversations?

You: yes--this 36 year old with aspergers

Stranger: what was the interest that you two shared?

You: philosophy

Stranger: what was his?

You: his what?

Stranger: philosophy

You: yes; he talked about 1/7 for quite awhile and how he is so "clever:"

Stranger: whats 1/7?

You: Why do you have nihilism for an interest? (He wanted the decimal equivalent. He rambled most of the time.)

Stranger: well I think Im close to a nihilist

Stranger: and would like to talk to other people who think similarly

You: likewise

Stranger: its very difficult to find people with enough depth but without any kind of divine crusade

Stranger: or environment one

You: Here on omegle?

Stranger: anywhere, so far this is the best place to find for such kind of rare people

You: what's the reason(s) you do not commit suicide? Also, age & loc

Stranger: live isint suffering

You: 19 US WI

You: do you work?

Stranger: just because life is empty doesnt mean that its a bad thing

Stranger: buddhists got the same idea really

Stranger: there are benefits for removing everything from your life

Stranger: Im 27 and from Finland and no I do not work

You: don't you live somewhere? how is daily living paid for?

Stranger: Im a shareholder

Stranger: could live with unemployment checks as well

Stranger: I dont spend much money

You: what stock?

You: (s)

Stranger: its a medium sized business here in Finland

You: I have been somewhat set on what you call "divine crusade." Tell me if living a life trying to eliminate extreme poverty is what you mean by "divine crusade?" And what do you think about it?

Stranger: it is one

Stranger: its completely pointless

You: what is your highest education; audodidactism counts?

Stranger: graphic designing in an university

You: no offence, did you finish?

Stranger: no I quit after I finished the courses

Stranger: I dont get offended

Stranger: ever

Stranger: and Im not one to look for others to learn

Stranger: I figure things out on my own

Stranger: I have no hunger for knowledge

You: yes, about two weeks ago I talked with someone who had the same interest we have today. he used the word intuition

You: otherwise do you live the traditional lifestyle? ie, pairing up, family, etc

Stranger: nope, I live pretty much as a hermit

You: haha

You: what do you do all day?

You: I am guessing you do not read nonfiction

Stranger: this

Stranger: only something that I stumble upon

Stranger: enjoy the arts, human creativity in general

Stranger: talk to people etc.

Stranger: online

Stranger: not in person

You: why not in person

Stranger: its such a small chance that I find them interesting

Stranger: that its better to just ignore everyone

Stranger: at most I will miss a chuckle

Stranger: probably skip alot of possible frustration and awkwardness

You: maybe...

You:http://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/lood-at-these-people-glassy-eyed-automatons-going-about-their-daily-lives-never-stopping-to-look-around-and-think-im-the-only-conscious-human-in-a-world-of-sheep.jpg

You: its a picture

Stranger: I know what it is just from the link

Stranger: unfortunately thats not how it is for me

You: intuition will not help you here

You: its interesting

Stranger: if I had to insert myself into that picture I wouldnt even be on that train

You: ?

You: where then?

Stranger: or metro

Stranger: somewhere else

Stranger: its a metaphor

Stranger: they are moving, going to somewhere

Stranger: they are living goal driven lives

Stranger: I am not

Stranger: I wouldnt be going anywhere

You: its a trope--the train going to nowhere that is. the movie Good Will Hunting had this trope in it

You: so you're probably the best one to ask this question:

You: is being an autodidact frivolous?

Stranger: no one can say whats better or worse, good or bad etc.

Stranger: I dont care for it

Stranger: I do not feel the urge

You: for what?

Stranger: to look for information

Stranger: for knowledge

Stranger: it will come naturally in time

Stranger: I dont feel that I gain anything from it

Stranger: I dont have a hole that needs to be filled

Stranger: no sickness that needs to be cured

Stranger: as long as the rain from the sky isint enough for you and you have a need to pick up a bucket and poar more water you wont be complete nor content

Stranger: or "happy"

You: have you "heard" about the 9 stages of ego developement

You: http://www.stillpointintegral.com/docs/cook-greuter.pdf

You: also I do not seek happiness

You: intentionally like everyone else or to the point of excess,that most do

Stranger: havent heard about it

You: do you have interest in me explaining it in a nutshell?

Stranger: go ahead

Stranger: hit enter every now and then

Stranger: bite sizing makes it easier

Stranger: no one likes a wall of text

You: so we go through these supposed stages. the beginning stages are about necessity and mostly about children, then it gets a little complicated,

You: but basically each stage is like an expanding disk, shown on page 3.

You: People expand the disk and usually move up until about stage 4/5 (or somewhere around that stage).

You: this is what I have assumed to be the "traditional lifestyle"

You: although, I have not thought to fit nihilism into this theory,

You: until now

Stranger: and where does it go

You: its been about a year since I read the whole thing and a few articles along with. I think the maker could not give it an end ego stage. the last stage written about is Stage 6.

You: maker = author

Stranger: so is nihilism where it ends?

Stranger: or is there something after it

You: I do not know.

You: From what stage 5 & 6 were about: I do not think so

You: don't stereotype me for this platitude:

You: what if the majority of people lived your lifestyle?

Stranger: its a luxurity

Stranger: if the world wasnt like it is I wouldnt be living this life style

You: ok. but you are more selfish?

Stranger: my selfishness is limited to my indifference towards most things

You: do you have stoicism as an interest?

Stranger: nope

You: what then?

Stranger: mbti types

Stranger: apathy, indifference

Stranger: buddhism

Stranger: hermit

Stranger: recluse

You: hermit--haa

Stranger: oh and cynicism

You: here on omegle?

Stranger: yes, thats what you asked?

You: yep

Stranger: selfishness as well

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You: is mine

You: what do you think

Stranger: altruism

You: what about it

Stranger: not a fan

You: I thought you were indifferent for most things--what else are you not indifferent about?

Stranger: well I meant personally

Stranger: of course its a positive things in general

You: I know--a slight egotistical though

Stranger: but I only act altruistic when its for my own interest

Stranger: if you mindlessly follow you emotions you are just a tool

You: altruism is lessening your own circumstances for another

Stranger: its self-sacrifcie

Stranger: its brainwashing, which peak is probably suicide terrorists

You: what is brainwashing?

Stranger: education

You: public edu--definitely yes. NOT autodidactism

Stranger: not just schools

You: o. you mean all of it?

Stranger: yes, whole growing up

Stranger: how to act, behave, feel

You: well yes...freeganists, autodidacts, and such are not

You: if nothing really matters, why should I live a life for myself. Have you ever met a nihilist who had or is doing this? or anyone who wants "no life" and is content

Stranger: well you cant be alive without living for yourself

Stranger: so its not an option

Stranger: I havent met anyone who was as extreme as I am

You: I mean, truly living (besides the necessitates) not for yourself. You are living a lifestyle for yourself.

Stranger: you are living for yourself if you take care of the necessities

You: overall

Stranger: if you dont care about yourself then you are going to di

Stranger: die

You: I more-so mean a paradox

Stranger: thats just strawmanning it to a point of ridicule, people who dont understand something do this

You: by living "no life" for others benefit. by living explicitly to increase your utility for the mere benefit of others.

You: this kind of lifestyle would actually be meaningful:

You: through no meaning ~paradox

Stranger: yes it feels meaningful

Stranger: you feel

Stranger: and those feeling have a reason

Stranger: because it is altruistic behavior

Stranger: so naturally it is rewarded

Stranger: it helps us as race to survive and progress

Stranger: without this system of rewarding we wouldnt be here

Stranger: its still brainwashing or programming

Stranger: call it what you want

You: but it is not a reward to ME

Stranger: it is

You: after I'm dead, there is no "reward"

You: no gold star

Stranger: yes but you do it while you are living because it gives you meaning

Stranger: and you feel bad without meaning in your life

You: yes, it is attached though. I do not necessarily "feel" bad right now...maybe

You: the meaning is attached--not the main component

Stranger: I understand that most people wont understand or agree with my thoughts or lifestyle

Stranger: you really need to be obsessed with authenticity like I am

Stranger: otherwise you can be content with a meaningful life

You: why should I care if others are authentic?

Stranger: if you dont, you dont

Stranger: there is nothing you should or shouldnt

You: nice answer

Stranger: people are different

Stranger: there is no best way of living

Stranger: there is no best of anything

You: better though?

Stranger: depends on the goal you try to reach

Stranger: put if the goal doesnt matter then what is better of worse is irrelevant

Stranger: but*

You: Right now, I cannot wrap my mind around......always neither

Stranger: doesnt matter how intuitive or intellect you are - you can never see every possibility, every reaction to every action

Stranger: you can only understand that this is how it is

Stranger: you are doomed to be wrong if you try to be right

You: I believe in time to be the true balance: with time...

You: "Of course, indifference can be tempting—more than that, seductive. It is so much easier to look away from victims….In a way, to be indifferent to suffering is what makes the human being inhuman.

Indifference, after all, is more dangerous than anger and hatred. Anger can at times be creative."

Stranger: its dangerous because its not altruistic

Stranger: understand that everything that is popular is altruistic

Stranger: it wouldnt survive if it werent

You: I do not agree.

Stranger: just like humans wouldnt survive if they lived my lifestyle

You: that is a sort of stereotype

Stranger: and because Im not altruistic I wont try to teach people my way

Stranger: its going to die with me

Stranger: it will never become popular

Stranger: and thats how it is with things that arent altruistic

You: very few people are altruistic. it is not popular

Stranger: almost everyone is

Stranger: of course you can nit pick everything

Stranger: that people are selfish because they act on their emotions

Stranger: but they still act altruistic

You: many people are of a low "level" of altrusim

You: i do not mean this

Stranger: yes they are tools but even the people who use the tools are just working for the factory

You: that's my exact point,

You: the people similar to meas who are tools making an attempt

You: have a frivolous pursuit.

You: it does not matter.

You: why not live against how everyone else lives

You: by living for others

You: you live for yourself--just as everyone else

You: and I mean overall. not including health, etc

You: it is not happy or enjoyable

Stranger: Im living against myself in a sense that Im doing what doesnt come naturally to me

You: i think you cling to your sort of nihilism

Stranger: I know Im obsessed with authenticity and perfection

Stranger: and these are easiest to please with emptyness

You: are you a perfectionist?

Stranger: yes

You: my dad is

Stranger: authenticity and perfection are pretty much the same thing

You: not really

Stranger: they are both something pure in essence

Stranger: and absolute

You: one or two of the same node--different meaning

You: completely different

You: so I have concluded--ended--that you live for yourself. that is the Purpose of your life. This is how you are unoriginal--like everyone else. You are not rare.

Stranger: we humans reason with categorizing things

Stranger: and what we dont understand with put into the uncategorized box

Stranger: it sure is a big box

You: yes. its called how our brains make meaning out of data

You: I do not have to understand the motives behind intentions of the self.

You: pseudonihilism is the exact category

You: do you have an email?

Stranger: sure

Stranger: skype and facebook as well

You: what's the email?

hidden email

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