Abortion

 

You both like Abortion.

Stranger: Hey

You: hey

You: pro choice or pro life?

Stranger: pro life

You: gotcha

You: at what point in a pregnancy do you...how do I say this...

You: are you against emergency contraception like Plan B or the morning after pill?

Stranger: no

You: Ok, so where do you draw the line in a pregnancy?

Stranger: I don’t think it’s ever ok unless the moms life is endangered

You: What do you mean? You're not against emergency contraception

Stranger: I believe life starts when the fertilized egg implants in the uterus, not conception

You: Gotcha

Stranger: yeah

You: Why at implantation?

Stranger: because at that point it meets the characteristics of life, one of which is “can grow and develop” and an embryo can’t start developing until it’s implanted

You: At implantation it meets the characteristics of life, one of which is “can grow and develop” and an embryo can’t start developing until it’s implanted. Hm. OK. To meet the characteristics according to you? Because couldn't it be defined that a fertilized egg "can grow and develop"? Or at the other end, couldn't a...

Stranger: no because it’s unable to grow and develop until it has been implanted

You: ...fetus before 6 months, usually not "grow and develop" without a womb.

Stranger: correct but it’s still growing and developing within.

You: Seems a bit arbitrary to define implantation as the point it meets your characteristics of life.

You: kinda my point, but

Stranger: I meant not really

You: I gotta get back to work as my lunch is almost done

Fitness - low reps

You both like fitness.

Stranger: hi!

You: 25, here to chat

Stranger: cool!

Stranger: 23

Stranger: here to chat too I guess haha

Stranger: whats up

You: nm

You: you?

Stranger: workiin

Stranger: did you workout today yet?

You: ya

Stranger: oo nice

Stranger: what day was it

You: Wed.

You: lmao

Stranger: uhgsdjfds

Stranger: right

You: I do a pullup progression every time.

Stranger: hahah, there we go

You: 216 pullups

Stranger: jesus

Stranger: in how long

You: 70 min about

Stranger: oo

Stranger: thats still nuts

You: I'm building up to do 50 continuous

Stranger: how many are u at rn?

Stranger: Im at

Stranger: uhh

Stranger: 27

Stranger: ish

You: So I do 28, 27, 26, 25, 24, 23, 22, 21, MAX (which was 20)

Stranger: 28 is your continuous?

Stranger: or can u do more?

You: they're all continuous

You: do two other filler workouts in between

Stranger: oh

Stranger: you straight up just come back to the pull up bar?

Stranger: and then go for another exercise?

You: So today I did 28 cont., ran 10 min; 27 cont., two other workouts; 26 pullups, two other workouts, etc

Stranger: thats nuts

Stranger: do you do back workout along pull ups?

Stranger: or is it everything pretty much?

You: I do an arm workout after the pullups and then a leg or core exercise

You: And I stretch when I'm out of breath

Stranger: thats crazy

You: meh

Stranger: I just focus on a day at a time

You: I just built up to it

Stranger: go through 5-6 supersets

You: whatz a superset?

Stranger: usually supplementary

Stranger: Lets say

Stranger: You bench. You then stand up and do middle flies right after

Stranger: thats one set

Stranger: crossover flies to be accurate. That supplements bench very well

You: ok, so they're working different muscles?

Stranger: not really different muscles

Stranger: but kind of

Stranger: you get a wider range of motion with a fly

Stranger: but then, the bench is for overload

Stranger: You don't really overload a fly. It's too unstable to be a heavy lift

You: how many reps?

Stranger: My bench progression is:

10,10,5,3,1

Flies:

12,12,12,12,4/10(dropset)

Stranger: its pretty fun

Stranger: and painful

You: I'll have to look it up

You: Not really sure what you mean :)

Stranger: look up 5,3,1 if you're interested in strength building

Stranger: you can apply it to anything

Stranger: even pull ups

You: isn't the hypertrophy range 8-12?

Stranger: Hypertrophy range is a very skewed statistic

Stranger: For example

Stranger: If I do 1 rep of 315(that's my 95%), my hypertrophy range would be 1

Stranger: if I do 1 rep of 135, that wouldn't do anything relevant

Stranger: for 135, my range is much larger, therefore, time under tension comes into play

Stranger: rather than overload

You: ya, I'm not following :)

Stranger: meanwhile, at 1 rep, overload plays the role

Stranger: it basically depends on the style of a workout you want to go for

You: ah, ok. I can see that

Stranger: the farther you go away from your one rep max, the more time under tension becomes important

Stranger: On the other hand, if you're going towards your one rep max, that is an overload workout

You: I never do one rep

Stranger: 10-12 reps is ideal for about 60% of your one rep max and 10-12 reps just happens to be the average suggested time under tension (about 30 seconds) for that kind of weight

You: great, I do 10 reps

You: although, sometimes when I'm moving up, my 3rd to 5th set is 8 reps

Stranger: yeah, I do that too for most my workouts :D

Stranger: I only keep bench,squat, etc (core lifts) to 5,3,1

Stranger: Nice discussion tbh

Stranger: whats your name btw?

You: Adam

You: & you?

Stranger: nice to meet you

Stranger: Alex

You: nice

You: That's the fake name I usually use

Stranger: Alex?

You: cuz it's genderless

You: ya

Stranger: oh lmao

Stranger: I get that one

You: dudes start out with the name question

You: so I say Alex or Sam

You: So 5,3,1 are reps?!

Stranger: hey sorry

Stranger: my director came up

You: np

Stranger: ahh

Stranger: so

Stranger: yeah

Stranger: 5,3,1 are repls

Stranger: why does it matter if youre Alex or Adam

You: cuz they just be looking for nudes

You: I don't get why...so low of reps

You: Like what're you basing this off of?

Stranger: wait wait

Stranger: im curious

Stranger: what is the point of making a conversation with someone who doesnt wanna talk to you?

Stranger: I just say im a dude and let them skip

Stranger: then get someone like u

Stranger: who actually talk

You: ya, I don't do that anymore

Stranger: s*

Stranger: haha, I see

You: unless I want to troll

Stranger: ahh

Stranger: yeah so

Stranger: reps

Stranger: You wanna get as high as possible to your one rep max

Stranger: but still be able to finish your set

Stranger: so, you increase your % and go lower in reps

Stranger: For example

Stranger: for bench:

Stranger: 135 x 20

Stranger: 225 * 10

Stranger: 225 * 10

Stranger: then, I go to 5,3,1

Stranger: increasing it by 20 every time

Stranger: ish

Stranger: or 30

You: lbs?

Stranger: for example:

Stranger: yeah

Stranger: 255* 5

Stranger: 285 * 3

Stranger: 315 * 1

You: I see

You: So you have a spreadsheet?

Stranger: yeahhh, theres a lot of em

Stranger: look up 5/3/1 spreadsheet

Stranger: it's gonna fill out your % for you

You: gotcha

You: I kinda like the simplicity of my workouts rn ;)

Stranger: Hahah

You: ...even tho I have a spreadsheet for those pullups

Stranger: your pull up thing does not sound simple at all

You: It's just decrementing

You: 8-9 sets

Stranger: thats so muuch

You: lol

Stranger: you probably grew wings already

You: I started with around 10 pullups

You: and then I had some... falling off the horse

You: longest was a couple months!

You: Do you falter?

Stranger: yo sameeee

Stranger: What is a falter

You: make a mistake or fail to be consistent

Stranger: Ohhhhhh

Stranger: yeah ofcourse

Stranger: I keep quitting gym cuz of work sometimes

Stranger: well

Stranger: thats an excuse

You: ya, but that's what I mean

Stranger: hahah

Stranger: owell

Stranger: what are your other hobbies

You: ahh, lots

You: ...like a fuck ton of things

Stranger: ok

Stranger: list some

You: working on compiling Cheap Lazy Vegan's meal preps on this doc: bit.do/aerovegan

You: piano

You: try to swim and run once a week

Stranger: ooo

Stranger: heck yes

Stranger: are you vegan?

You: want to write a novel about a semi-immortal so I work on that sometimes

You: na, I'm a type of vegetarian

You: but pretty close to vegan

Stranger: what is the exception

You: haha

You: by chance, do you have Discord?

Debate

You both like debate.

Stranger: hi

You: hey

Stranger: have a topic in mind?

You: I could

You: Do you?

Stranger: Not in particular

You: Do you think it’s permissible to kill humans for a burger in the same way we kill animals for a burger?

Stranger: no

You: What’s there difference between a human and animal that makes it permissible for the animal but not the human-animal?

Stranger: Humans are able to reciprocate

You: What about mentally handicapped humans?

You: Do you think it’s permissible to kill mentally handicapped humans for a burger?

Stranger: Most mentally handicapped people are able to reciprocate in the manner I described

Stranger: If they aren't, then, probably we'd just view them with too much sympathy to kill and eat.

You: ...so it is permissible to kill the other mentally handicapped humans for a burger?

Stranger: Well, how appetizing does a mentally handicapped man sound to you?

You: I'd imagine it'd be no different than a beef burger.

Stranger: Seems like one is inherently kind of off-putting, since it's made of human

You: So you believe it's permissible to kill the other mentally handicapped humans for a burger?

You: I'm sure you wouldn't know the difference.

Stranger: I think people who are violent and unable to reciprocate, and handicapped to an extent where they are a danger to themselves and others are already denied the rights to a free life other people have. We don't turn them into burgers because of aesthetic issues.

You: Are cows and such violent?

You: Do you see the contradiction here?

Stranger: Cows cannot demonstrate moral reciprocity, and in certain situations would act violently towards you

You: So you believe it's permissible to kill the other mentally handicapped humans for a burger?

Stranger: Under the circumstances I described

You: Do you see the contradiction?

You: Cows are not violent?

You: or are they?

Stranger: For instance, say you kill a handicapped man in self-defense, then you could turn his body into a burger if were looking for a snack.

You: Do we kill cows in self-defense?

Stranger: Frequently, not

You: Do you see how your addition is irrelevant?

You: So you believe it's permissible to kill the other mentally handicapped humans for a burger?

You: Just bite the bullet

Stranger: It's demonstrating how he isn't living up to the social contract

Stranger: or demonstrating reciprocity

Stranger: by actively infringing on my rights

You: Ok, so you would effectively eat mentally handicapped humans for a burger.

You: Gotcha.

Stranger: No, certainly not, that's gross

You: Yet you think it's permissible.

Stranger: I think there are certain situations where it certainly would be

You: Do you honestly think human flesh tastes THAT much different from cow muscle?

Stranger: It's not about the taste

You: What's not about the taste?

Stranger: Morality

You: That's what it seems to come down to.

You: Why don't you think the choice comes down to taste?

You: Soy/almond vs diary milk

Stranger: Because it has to do with reciprocity and one's ability to act morally

You: You've already bitten the bullet on that

You: According to you, it's permissible to kill mentally handicapped humans.

Stranger: There are certain situations where it's permissible to kill fully functioning humans

You: Sure there are

Stranger: for instance, in self-defense

You: Again, we've already covered this

You: A cow isn't attacking you.

You: Keep injecting these red herrings

Stranger: We're talking about people, and in this situation a person is attacking me

You: The matter is about killing a cow

You: Not about killing a satanic cow out to get you

Stranger: What is common in these two situations? The other person or animal is not able to, or is not, showing reciprocity.

You: Some mentally handicapped folks cannot reciprocate

You: According to you, it's permissible to kill THOSE mentally handicapped humans.

You: and fry them up

You: dish em out

You: eat em up

Stranger: Sure, if they aren't reciprocating

You: Ya. Could be you someday. Alzheimer's.

Stranger: If you are a vegetable, might as well get fried up

You: According to you.

You: That's not my moral framework.

Stranger: I'd say that people with Alzheimer's are still capable of moral reasoning and reciprocity

Stranger: Unless they are just braindead

Stranger: and then yeah, we typically kill those people in the least painful way possible or let them die

High carb diet beginning

You both like health.

You: 25 M. Idc who you are.

Stranger: same

You: what's your interest in health?

Stranger: healthy living

Stranger: for as long as possible

You: I see

Stranger: thats my interest

You: diet?

Stranger: Its a part yea.

Stranger: I take active interest in studying the effects of diet on health

You: What do you think of a high carb diet?

Stranger: It depends. In general, I believe, given the evidence, high carb diet is detrimental to overall health

You: What evidence?

Stranger: But if the proportion of complex carbs is higher, it gets a little muddy

Stranger: Evidence from murine models, fly models,

Stranger: primate models

Stranger: Human epidemiological studies..

You: you're just listing titles

You: I mean, what actual studies

Stranger: Oh you want papers??

You: or authoritative quotes

You: reputable

Stranger: look up david sinclair's latest book

You: Lifespan: Why We Age—and Why We Don't Have To

Stranger: yes

Stranger: he has categorically stated, that high carb diet is detrimental in the long run

You: "life expectancy of around 83, compared to 82 for high-carb"

You: :/

Stranger: thats the quote from lancet

Stranger: study from human epidimeology study

You: do you have Discord?

Stranger: no

You: there is a debate server for debating this

Stranger: I mean I dont really debate on this issue.

You: cuz you just read one book?

Stranger: I stated it categorically, depending on the source of carbs muddies the water

Stranger: complex carbs have a different story

Stranger: Lets put it this way: When you know exactly what the organism is eating and how much it is eating, results of carbs being detrimental to health begin to appear

Stranger: Most early diabetic rodent and fly models for diabetes were generated by feeding them high carb diet.

You: fly as in the bug?

Stranger: fruit fly

Stranger: drosophila melanogaster

You: how is that related to the human anatomy?

Stranger: the metabolic pathways remain conserved

Stranger: nonetheless, primate and murine models all point to the same story

You: do you have studies for this?

Stranger: primate?

Stranger: or murine?

You: or at least key words

You: that a high carb diet is detrimental to health

Stranger: letme give you the exact PMID..fair?

You: prefer online PDF

You: not mere abstracts

Stranger: so open source journals??

Stranger: or papers?

You: any kind of reasonable evidence

Stranger: you'll have to wait...

Stranger: https://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/37/9/1163.short talks about generating diabetes models way back in 1988

You: I'd rather have primates even tho mice have similar systems

You: wait, this isn't even open access anyway

You: NOT a mere abstract

You: fucking hate getting a study that I can't see

Stranger: i'll get you the full study

Stranger: http://www.jbc.org/content/294/25/9706.full.pdf

Stranger: Primate study. Look out for effects of High Carb diet...

Stranger: it has other parts too

You: thx

You: Why isn't there a discussion??

You: holy shit

You: half the study is a discussion

Stranger: there is discussion

Stranger: pg 9712

You: no where is there "high carb"

Stranger: you'll have to see the controls..

You: high-sugar diet

Stranger: Yes. Which is why I clarified....complex carbs muddies the water.

You: well if you can't find a study on a high carb diet...

Stranger: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/oby.22436 here's another one looking at western vs medditerreanean

You: ...just reading into what you want to believe at that point.

Stranger: The reason high carb is not used, is because it is a complex term.

Stranger: and it has to be reduced into essential components

You: na

You: simply, vegan diet

You: lol

Stranger: whats your take on high carb diet?

You: I don't think it needs to be reduced to a mechanistic study

You: Donno

You: I guess I'd start with the RDA

You: how they got that figure

You: read the general public page

You: then read the physician's page

Stranger: yea, but they have a habit of drastically changing guides.

You: I trust that they know something that I don't

Stranger: I remember, sugar as a culprit was known since early 1960's

Stranger: yet RDA only accepted it in late 2000's

Stranger: or early 2000's...i cant remember

Stranger: same story with dietary cholestrol

You: I trust their recommendations over studies where only the abstract is available

Stranger: well I can access all the studies tbh.

Stranger: plus there is always sci-gen

You: then don't post them

Stranger: sci-hub

Stranger: you can download all scientific papers for free

Stranger: just basing your opinion on open-source scientific information is a disservice

You: I don't get what you mean "all scientific papers"

Stranger: have you ever used sci-hub?

Stranger: its a torrent like service that can let you download papers that usually require some form of payment..

You: I'm sceptical

You: looking into it...

You: damn

You: that's cool

You: https://sci-hub.tw/https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/oby.22436

Stranger: happy?

You: very

You: =)

Stranger: now go read papers uninhibited.

You: ...time to rape Google Scholar

Stranger: haha...google scholar is still helpful as a search tool

Stranger: not as an access tool :p

You: exactly

You: Google Scholar -> sci-hub