Monday, September 16, 2019

Instead of the weather outside, climate change

The stranger likes wisconsin,madison
>Auto: asl?
>Stranger: m25
>Stranger: you?
>You: f22
>Stranger: hey, how's your weekend going?
>You: fine
>Stranger: Sounds better than a bad weekend at least
>Stranger: Are you a student at UW?
>You: ya
>Stranger: oh nice! What year are you in?
>You: last
>You: not here to chit chat
>Stranger: oh what are you here for then?
>You: intelligent chat
>Stranger: What classifies as intelligent chat?
>You: not chit chat
>You: =)
>Stranger: Hahaha very specific
>Stranger: I feel like everyone would classify each differently though
>You: slightly
>You: but not significantly
>You: so instead of talking about person specific things like eye color or location or degree path...
>You: other topics
>Stranger: So...more philosophical?
>You: no
>You: instead of the weather outside, climate change
>You: something like taht
>Stranger: Oh like how the climate changed deniers running the government are killing us?
>You: I don't think there are that many, so meh
>You: I prefer discussing something like factory farming
>You: do you know about it?
>Stranger: Havent heard the term before
>Stranger: Google search brings up some very cramped, unpleasant looking farms
>You: sounds about right
>Stranger: So factory farming is the term they coined for the mass production of farm animals, which they usually just send to the slaughter house?
>You: could be dairy cows too or
>You: broiler hens, battery cages, etc
>Stranger: do they have these in Wisconsin? I feel like every time I've seen a Wi farm, it never looks like those
>You: I know right!
>You: But it is the most common--even in WI
>You: it's just that they're not so easily viewable
>Stranger: Yeah I suppose... usually it's only on the highway do I see all the cows out roaming the ranch
>You: like, they're also not easy to recognize as farms
>You: ya, those are the good few
>Stranger: I think most farms I've been to, it's for the breakfast on the farm event they hold throughout the summer at certain farms
>You: yes, I'm a WI native
>Stranger: But I think those are usually picked out, so either they clean them up or they purposely avoid such factory farms
>Stranger:
 Same here
>You: right
>You: still pretty miserable tho, if you look at their stalls
>You: going to and from the same place
>Stranger: ha what stalls. it's just floor and the next animal is your wall
>You: concrete slab to milking parlor two or usually three times a day
>You: the steal bars separating each stall
>Stranger: I'm rather surprised with how some animals, they can call animal abuse on simply kicking a dog once, but they see nothing wrong with housing such animals like that
>You: never actually going outside...
>You: right
>You: but we all contribute to it
>You: demand it
>Stranger: Yeah that's true
>Stranger: I'm sure there are ways to make it more humane while keeping such farms going, but obviously no one likes spending the money so they can max their profits
>You: I mean, there are options out there
>You: grass fed beef
>You: almond milk
>You: soy milk, oat, etc
>You: know any cooking youtube channels?
>Stranger: No common ones. Think I've seen a few that will cook on occasion, but they're not dedicated to cooking
>Stranger: Unfortunately, some of those food options get to be more expensive than what most people use, and a lot of people can barely afford the cheap stuff. Would be hard to get everyone to switch over to the alternative options
>You: um, that's really only true for milk
>You: there are other nutritious things to drink 
>You: but ya, that protein almond milk is more expensive
>You: dairy products are heavily subsidized as it is
>You: really not their true prices
>You: in hs remember being shocked that the gov't bought huge quantities of milk from farmers--and then dumped it out on the roadside
>You: some famous picture of that...don't remember the name
>Stranger: Maybe I dont adventure enough at the store then. Usually just grab what I have been grabbing and get out
>Stranger: I dont recall that at all
>You: I can't find it
>Stranger: I'm seeing either a lot of old stuff about milk dumping, or just regular articles about farmers dumping milk during surplus
>You:
 either way, our gov't still has heavily subsides for dairy
>Stranger:
 Our government seems to be involved in a lot more things than it should be.
>Stranger: Though it usually seems to be helpful if there's ever actually an issue
>You: I don't know politics that much to know
>Stranger: I dont really follow a lot either, but generally the government likes to get involved in the big industries, because usually by helping them out a little, the industry will be more likely to donate to their pockets
>You: I just read that even though dairy is still heavily subsidized, the subsidies are declining...
>You: really wonder why it's subsidized in the first place...
>Stranger: Not sure on that one
>You: "pacify poor people from price volatility"
>Stranger: But one thing that just popped up with that is the subsidies are causing surplus of supply. So probably the only reason to lower subsidies is to stop over producing
>Stranger: usda has a whole list of dairy policies
>Stranger: it brings up "class III milk"
I didn't even know milk had classes
>You: I just know some milk, usually overseas, is pasteurized at high temperature...has some different name
>You: UHT
>You: Ultra-high-temperature processing
>You: has a different taste I'm told
>You: do you have discord?
>Stranger: no?
>You: ok, well I gotta get back to my homework
>You: was nice chatting with you
>Stranger: is it on factory farming? haha
>You: no
>You: nothing about my degree is related to animal suffering
>Stranger: ah I see
>You: bye
>Stranger: Okay well have fun with your homework!
>You: thx
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Thursday, September 12, 2019

The stranger likes Politics,Debate



>Auto: Hey. want to debate a topic?
>Stranger: Sure.
>Stranger: so?
>You: do you have some in mind?
>Stranger: what's the topic?
>Stranger: no, I do not.
>Stranger: You offered a debate, tho, so it is now up to you to come up with a suggestion
>Stranger: :)
>You: not necessarily, but I do have one in mind
>Stranger:
 shoot
>You: factory farming
>You: praxis 
>You: individual action 
>Stranger: I agree. Selective breeding
>You: I'm getting at vegetarianism/veganism
>Stranger: ohhhhhhhh
>You: against intensive animal farming
>Stranger: Well, I have mixed feelings regarding animal farming
>Stranger: I feel like it is absolutely justified for an organism to hunt and perhaps even keep around other animals for eating
>Stranger:that being said, what it has turned into, is just sad cruelty
>You: I agree
>You: I'm not against slaughter, just excessive/unnecessary suffering 
>Stranger: I am against mass producing animals
>Stranger: because that leads to poor conditions
>Stranger: and unnecessary suffering
>You: Awesome 
>Stranger: if it was done on a local scale (a family keeping dozen or so chicks purely for themselves)
>Stranger: then it should be different
>You: ok, are you veg*an?
>Stranger: no, I am not
>You: why not transition to vegetarianism?
>You: how old are you?
>Stranger: I am 28. Firstly, me buying meat raises to demand for it, literally, by like 0.0001%. While my actions do support meat industry in theory and in principle, they do not support it in practice, because such raise in demand is simply undetectable
>Stranger: the* demand
>Stranger: to speak absolutely realistically
>You: right, that's economics 
>Stranger: not just economy
>You: I'm agreeing with what you're saying
>You: but if everyone said that
>You: nothing would change for the better
>Stranger: the undisputable fact of reality, is that no chick died because of my actions, who wouldnt have died otherwise
>You: I realize. 
>You: You know that pithy Marget Mead quote?
>Stranger: okay, so now I have rid myself of moral guilt argument
>Stranger: :D
>You oh no
>You: you're still morally guilty ;)
>Stranger: no, I haven't
>You: Ok
>You: I found it
>You: Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it's the only thing that ever has.”
>You: the demand for vegan products is increasing 
>You: yes, every single person doesn't really matter
>Stranger: You can't. Thats just reality. Unless you are one of the exceptional few (Hitler?), you have little to no power to change the nation. You can perform countless experiments that will prove this. 
>You: yes, I already agree that you and I can't
>Stranger: so, whats the point then?
>You: duty
>Stranger: if the chicken is already dead and packed, and if I have no ability to prevent further deaths
>Stranger: then I might just as well enjoy their sacrifice
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The stranger likes politics

>Auto: Hey, what to debate a topic?
>Stranger: Hi
>Stranger: Yeah sure go ahead
>You: unless you want to do a different one
>You: factory farming/animal rights
>Stranger: Ok
>Stranger: What's your opening argument
>You: Where are you from?
>You: I'm from the US
>Stranger: Canada
>You: Donno Canadian ag, but in the US intensive animal farming isn't good
>You: increased suffering of the cows, pigs and esp chickens
>Stranger: Necessary though
>You: no
>You: and horrendous to the environment
>Stranger: Yeah, and what's the alternative to feeding your population
>You: plants
>Stranger: Where do you get the space for plants
>You: How would a vegan diet be sustainable? The majority of crops we grow we feed to livestock animals as it is. In fact, all the grain that's used in the US, alone, could feed 800 million humans. We could eradicate global hunger with just those crops--from the US alone! The sustainability issue is really a nonissue.
>Stranger: And how do you force People to be vegan
>You: It's not about some mandate
>You: Individual choice. We have an abundance of alternatives in supermarkets 
>Stranger: Yeah but I don't want to be vegan
>You: Right. I can't argue against apathy.
>Stranger: So
>Stranger: How does tour plan work
>Stranger: Your
>You: Well, there will always be a demand for meat and other animal products
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